Curse

Kashrlyyk · Apr 08, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Being nice to immatures will only spoil them more.

You don´t get it, right?

masta_yoda · Apr 08, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

i would have ressed him and piss everyone off instead of just one person

why piss 1 off when u can get 6 others

BladeDVD · Apr 08, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21

It was his drop. I would have recommended zoning out and letting him get it on his own once he rezzed at a shrine.

He screwed over the group, so he's not entitled to help from the group anymore. But you don't take someone else's stuff unless they already owe you something. That's just stealing.

Having said that, if what you say is accurate, I wouldn't lose a whole lot of sleep over what you did either. Put your change in the donation box next time you buy something from McDonald's.

I guess one could argue that he "stole" your time, but I see that more as a potential cost of playing with PUGs. They can just waste your time in many different ways. It's the nature of the beast.

Longasc · Apr 08, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Honor does not come from shoving gold items up the arse of idiots.

To the OP: YOU were in that situation, and all of you thought it was the right thing to do.

But if you feel bad about it, veiled the facts and made them look nicer in your favor, just came here to get some backup while your conscience hurts you: Shame on you, kid.

hallomik · Apr 08, 2008, 11:12 AM // 11:12

I was on another side of a similar situation before Factions came out.

One of the B/P rangers in our Tombs team didn't seem to speak English very well. He never said a word and followed directions randomly. He over aggroed a few times, but my interpretation was that he was new to the run, and not trying to deliberately hurt the team.

One of the guys on the team started verbally abusing the guy. He assumed the non-speaking player was asian, and started using a lot of asian slurs against the guy and started telling everyone else not to res the guy. One other player on the team started to agree and these two guys were repeatedly ragging on the guy and telling the monk not to heal him and that no one should rez, etc.

We get to the final room where the greens drop. The non-speaking player has a lot of DP at this point, and with no healing dies prior to us aggroing the Darkness. The "leader" tells everyone not to rez and we start the final fight. I think about it a second and rez the dude. Quiet dude gets 2 green drops including a Victo's Axe - a valuable drop back then. The leader goes on a rampage. "WHO REZZED HIM!!?!! YOU F****** C**** LOVER!!!"

Nightmares Hammer · Apr 08, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Would I leave a player dead if he got killed by his own recklessness and it's very likely that resurrecting him would only make it happen again? Depending on if the player in question would jeopardize the entire objective of the group through his actions it might well be wise to let him lie low for a while until the worst part is over.

Would I grief somebody over a petty drop? Never.

Living by the principle "If you pee in my well I'll pee in your well" only leads to lots of sick people

QFT

Why aren't there more people like you in the world?

Kemal X · Apr 08, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Once I was helping guildmate at doing some quest at Desolation, when he went afk. Well, me and my Guildleader who had also come started to kill stuff near him so he wouldn't killed, and what do you know, nice greenies drops for the AFKer... Well, as he was awaya a long time, the timer went off and I took the item and kinda hoped he'd never see it dropped to him. However, he saw it and asked me to give it back. Of course I did, but now after he left guild I feel like I should have kept it anyways >

SilverSlave · Apr 08, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

If what you said was true then, whilst the system assigned him the item, he did not earn it and therefore his right to it was forfeit.

In my opinion the players took into account a situation that the system was never designed for and acted accordingly.

Someone earlier seemed to think that everything is black and white. Unfortunately it's not.

zamial · Apr 08, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Well this is a great rule to follow.

- If I have to ask if I did the right thing, I probably did not.

This is the Problem With pug Groups. When I (and my heroes) pug I always bring Vengeance. You die, I (or my hero) turn you into minions, I/heroes rez you, rinse and repeat, I did my part. If all players in a Pug brought vengeance and only 1 monk had rebirth, the OP's situation would happen WAY less, people would pay attention or get to die over and over. Especially when after vengeance wears off someone informs the party "noob down".

Jetdoc · Apr 08, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

You did the right thing by rezzing him.

You did the wrong thing by purposefully waiting around for 10 minutes and picking up his loot.

Once you finished your clear, you should have simply left and allowed him to auto rez so he could claim his loot.

As someone else said, two wrongs do not make a right. It might feel good at the time, but nonetheless it doesn't make it better.

R.Shayne · Apr 08, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I agree on not reizing him during the quest since he put the goal endanger but afterwards I would have simple left. No way I am hanging around for 10 minutes for a crappy elemental sword.

At the most would have picked his sword up and ran into the biggest mob I could find and drop it there un-identified. About learning his lesson, not going to happen, wammo never learn.

Why do people still do this norn farm? I signed on as a HB once, worked my butt off keeping leeroy Inc. alive and remembered why I never pug. Elite Dungeon books are so much easier and more profitable.

arual · Apr 08, 2008, 02:01 PM // 14:01

To respond to a few points raised by prior posters;

First off he was already dead, and left dead, before the sword dropped. Secondly had the item been of 'lesser value' (like I said a R11 Ele Sword isn't great but I knew that alot of people joining a PUG would probably welcome such a drop) I would not have ressed him either, I'd have just zoned back to Olafstead like I usually do at the end of a run without thinking about it. Thirdly, someone asked if I would have res'd the other players had it happened to them; I mentioned this in my initial post but I would certainly have ressurected the monks. To add to that statement I would have also have res'd all the other Ursan, albeit without as much fervor as the monks. Fourthly; I know not what was going through the players mind when he was aggroing all the extra mobs but I do know that he was a Rank 7 Norn, so had probably, but not definately, been on Ursan runs before. Maybe he was just an innocent noob still getting to grips with either Ursan runs or even just human parties in general. Several members of our party had asked him to not aggro so much and to stick with the group more but obviously he didn't do this - he could however understand us since he seemed to type English competently (albeit 'txt' english "u kno wot im sayin yeh?"),

I quite like this quote; "If I have to ask if I did the right thing, I probably did not." Soothing a guilty conscience was not a purpose of my posting here (although maybe sub-consciously it was, either way I didn't lose any sleep last night heh); personally I think the guy 'deserved' it, even if some people do think that makes me evil or just plain bad. What was interesting at the time was that all 6 other party members stayed to claim the loot as well (my brother was going to leave because he couldn't be bothered waiting the 10 minutes but I persuaded him to stay) - whilst that isn't exactly a broad cross-section of the Guild Wars community I thought it perhaps significant.

Added; to answer R.Shayne's question about "Why do people still do this norn farm?": Having done them on a couple of characters I know of several people who are also doing them that are competent players whom I can join up with. Completing runs with a decent group takes maybe 40 minutes and without dying can net you ~11k Norn points - that makes it probably the fastest way to get R10, with a decent group it is also quite easy. I have done the monking myself on a different char and found that with a decent group it takes pretty much no effort, just stand back and use GoLE & Heal Party whilst keeping HB up. Since I was a mere 2,667 points away from R10 and none of my aquiantances were online, except my brother, we decided to join a total PUG. Perhaps the runs aren't as profitable but gold/platinum has never really been that much of an issue for me - if I do want more of it I can think of more efficient ways to get it.

Disco_Will_Not_Die · Apr 08, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

The guy was being a jerk, leave him dead.

But I would have rez'd him to get the item he partially earned, because he did do part of the work to get to that part of the dungeon/instance/whatever. How many hours did it take to get that far? How many other items did he get from drops? My guess is that it took a long time and he got nothing else of value from the drops. So you pretty much just wasted hours of his time because he PO'd you.

You don't have to be the bigger wo/man, but it definitely makes the game a better place when you are.

Another Felldspar · Apr 08, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by arual

Was it wrong to do that? How many of you would have done the same?

I seem to be in a very small minority here -- at least of people who are answering the post; but, I believe it was wrong and would not have done it. Leave him dead while fighting the bosses? Yes. But when finished I would have collected my stuff and mapped out, giving him the opportunity to rez at the shrine and collect his own loot. Morals can exist within MMO's, even among punitive players.

EPO Bot · Apr 08, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

There is a little skill named "Unyielding aura" made purely for dealing with grief aggroers.

That said, i have been left on the floor by douches once so they could take my stuff. I never got any warnings, they just did. They must have been guildies.

Master Knightfall · Apr 08, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by zling

wow this is hillarious...
let me say something to you: Welcome to the Real World!
people get what they deserve, no reason for them to get more than they deserve. this guy was clearly being an ass and intentionally trying to screw their party. so they treated him like an ass and took his drop. nothing wrong with that! it's actually right!
manners dont hurt you know, neither does education...

You too fall into the catagory of just being as much a bad person by what you just said. When you think two wrongs make a right then you too become just like the rest of the riff raff out there. You even show it in your writings and your online personality now. I would not want to know you or group with you ingame or out either. You are just as bad as the rest. And you know the other saying: Birds of a feather flock together. <grin>

Bryant Again · Apr 08, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

You did the right thing by rezzing him.

You did the wrong thing by purposefully waiting around for 10 minutes and picking up his loot.

Once you finished your clear, you should have simply left and allowed him to auto rez so he could claim his loot.

As someone else said, two wrongs do not make a right. It might feel good at the time, but nonetheless it doesn't make it better.

Agreed.

Regarding "getting banned", I've seen some crazy bans happen in my time. You may not be perma-banned but you may get a suspension of other sorts.

GloryFox · Apr 08, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Seems like Justice to me. Enjoy your new sword.

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posted by Master Knightfall
You too fall into the category of just being as much a bad person by what you just said. When you think two wrongs make a right then you too become just like the rest of the riff raff out there.

Allow me to educate you on real world politics and justice. If a person murders is he not also murdered or removed from society as a danger? If a country continuously fires missiles at your air planes when it has promised not to do so, do you not invade it and topple the government shooting at your planes? If someone signs a treaty to have no aggression against your person your people, your property yet continuously defy that treaty is he in violation of that treaty? If you go through another means of enforcing a treaty and place agreed upon sanctions against a country that is violating a treaty and the people who are supposed to uphold those sanctions are profiteering from those sanctions are they aiding and abetting the enemy? How do you treat your allies when they aid and abet the enemy?

Seems to me when you enter a PUG you agree to act within a reasonable degree of restraint to help and aid those in your group with a common goal in mind, this act is an act of civil responsibility. However if someone violates that non-spoken agreed upon treaty of civil responsibility then why should they profit from someones else's efforts who is acting within the spirit of civil responsibility?

In my mind the OP was not only acting within the Spirit of the Game, but demonstrating the need to uphold civil agreements and treaties in the real world as well. If you violate the treaty then you should pay the consequences of agreeing to freely enter that treaty. The "Leeroy" declared war on everyone therefore he does not get the spoils, he looses instead.

Malice Black · Apr 08, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Pugs are bad.

GloryAhole - Real world really doesn't effect games. Most these people prob haven't hit puberty yet, let alone seen 'the real world'

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 08, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by rohara

wow you guys are jerks oO two wrongs don't make a right.

Are you kidding me? Actions and consequences are the very foundation of our moral system and of our laws.